Got it, thanks! WebGOLFDOM is THE Golfer's Store, complete with everything our customers need for on AND off the course. No one knows how sloppy things are manufactured unless you are right watching and know what you are watching for. Those factories not only produce clones and counterfeits they also produce for OEMs (I know this because I happen to know a guy in one of these factories), All big OEMs admit having their heads and some shafts manufactured in China. I have made clubs for myself using Hireko components. 2nd Swing Golf has thelargest selectionof used golf clubs in the world so why shop anywhere else? Why buy a clone when you can get very good used OEM or used component clubs from great firms like Wishon or KZG? How well are the clone/knockoffs made? Whats best for me wont be whats best for you. Your tests compared apples to oranges, so your results didnt surprise me. I started out 4 years ago with a Pinemeadow clone of the Callaway Big Bertha ironsthen moved up to the actual Big Berthas and did feel and see some difference in overall quality.however I did have trouble with one of the Callaway stock graphite shafts which flaked and split on my 8 iron.my feeling is that it would be difficult for me to determine the difference in large part because at the time I was so new to golf.-and perhaps I was feeling more confident with an OEM in my bag(FYI: I now play Nike long irons and Cleveland scoring clubs and love them! Of course, they would like to purchase the real thing and/or get fitted for a truefit set. Has anyone ever stolen a customer of yours? if you go with cheapest components, you can get a set really cheap, but why not buy a little better, and get a set worthy or even better than store sets for half the price.? Custom Golf Clubs - Hireko Golf The one thing Ive discovered is that there is a big difference between quality with regards to clone irons and woods. and its fitted perfectly to you,(from your pros stats) everyone looks at my clubs, and get really impressed by the beauty,..and they play very good. Branded products are made with higher quality control, but mistakes still happen even with tighter controls, just not nearly as often. No Research and Design Costs. I now own a complete set of the GigaGolf forged cavity backs along with a set of Giga woods and play to a legit 7 handicap. Although new legislation is going to clarify this further. Fewer? Lasers are used to copy the exterior of high selling clubs; again, there is no internal accuracy, nor the same construction, material or quality. In fact, I enjoyed better le from my 302s. There is a difference between Branded Merchandise and Clones, and that is largely quality control. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. I called Hireko and spoke to the guy who makes the videos (tech line). He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in Hireko has existed since 1981 per something I've seen online. $249.99. Now counterfeit producers is a different story. The shape is cleaner, the graphics are more polished (dare I say professional), and the paint quality is clearly superior (our clone is already starting to show some wear in the middle of the crown, well away from any impact zone). Didn't find much else on here, so that's why I started the new thread to explore more. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. I play the Pursuit cavity back forged too. Golfdom | A Worldwide Golf Shops Company This doesnt count the shafts, grips and balls Ive gone through. Prior to that acquisition, Dynacraft were one of the Big Three component companies, along with Golfsmith and GolfWorks, and werein Ohio. Great review! There is the direct counterfeit, which is a dead-on copy that carries the legitimate products trademark, and thats illegal. Counterfeits like we said are NOT the same as clones and the counterfeit equipment is often the cheapest and lowest quality equipment. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. If however, you place a premium on accuracy, though not as conclusive, there is some suggestion that the clone could be the more accurate of the two heads. Counterfeit golf equipment is NOT the same as clone equipment. Asfar as the lower end of components go, the only ones that really deserve the bad rap are the "clones". Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Yes, I know this is a 2011 article. I had a few years where I didnt play, but now that I am single digits HC I am going to spend the money for NameBrand clubs. So, I could care less about design copy as I am the quality that goes into a club. Are shafts or heads manufactured to a large (+-) tolerance with the (-) tolerance being the norm or are the parts manufactured to close tolerances? Years ago Maltby (Golfworks founder) did a quality study on the tolerances of his clubs versus clones, dont recall if he sampled OEMs as well. I understand the average iron costs less than $10 to make thats head shaft and grip. Even the raw materials received were sometimes out of tolerance. Ill use Infiniti as an example. If a component seller such as Diamond Tour wants to be fully legitimate, they need to invest fully in true component companies such as SMT, and abandon the practice of selling Clone clubs. No Reps. No Service. Bottom line though is that no matter what fitting is the biggest goal, whether or not the clubs are name brand or knock-offs. I was looking at the 85 and 75g steel shafts also. Note: The FTC considers the terms Clone and Knock-Off to be identical. What I do believe is a reasonable conclusion based on the totality of the numbers is that there is not a significant performance difference between the TaylorMade Tour Burner, and the Heated clone. Its your money to spend where you chose I just found better places to spend it. Not sure about Pinhawk, think they are their own entity. WebReshafing- We can reshaft most golf clubs with just about all major brands in graphite and steel shafts. Speaking of non OEM brands, which of the following irons will be best quality for play- Maltby, Wishon,, Alpha, Kzg, Hireko, etc. In 1997 R.J. Liou reached a settlement with Callaway. I actually built some Wishon/Sterlings (single length collaboration between Tom Wishon/Jacob Bowden) at multiple lengths (i.e. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Costco Kirkland Performance + Golf Ball (Version 3), Costco Kirkland Signature Wedges Version 2, http://www.diamondtour.com/golf-bags.html, http://www.pinemeadowgolf.com/golf-clubs/accessories/. After all, there is no way on this green earth that a clone with an assembled price of less than $100 ($59 head only) could outperform a club from a popular golf company with an initial price tag of $300 right? By being all the same length, lie, balance and weight as a 7-iron, there is no need to change your posture, stance or ball position so you only have one thought process for every swing with your irons and wedges. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); I have been hitting a clone set of irons since 2008. T. he loft gapping is slightly larger than traditional irons; this is to maintain a proper distance gap between clubs. There have been recent factories busted in China. As with our test of the Shotmaker, shafts were spined and FLOd. The 2nd tier often makes some of the mid-size golf companies that a lot of you play but they also make some of the top components and clones for companies like. I saw they also have a dual length set for people that just don't want to play long 6i length short irons. Orkut drivers = oem drivers. Wanna buy some clubs? (E.M. Keep them coming! who would do that ? So, in the end, I would never buy a clone wood, but have no problem playing clone irons and my preference for those has become GigaGolf as Ive found their quality quite good. A lot of research goes into the wood and as Frank Thomas once said, a 3 yr old Wood is obsolete with the technology of today. We bend putters too! Sadly, thats ignorance on the consumers part. Well.i found the clone world years ago,.and love em. Reshafting These services usually take 5 to 7 days, as we have to order the shafts. http://www.diamondtour.com/golf-bags.html, http://www.pinemeadowgolf.com/golf-clubs/accessories/ They own the other brands in their website by acquiring them over the years. You may wonder what the difference is between the counterfeit vs. clone. I dont care what a club looks like or sounds like, if it feels good in my hands and performs well for accuracy. Kent Graphtec dealt primarily in knockoff clubs, products with names such as King Snake and Big Bursar, simulations of the popular clubs King Cobra and Big Bertha. As for the clone argument, are those on the side of the big manufacturers going to stay on their side if we take this argument to off brand manufacturers who design and make some very good clubs but dont have the budget to promote like the giants? Actually, Steve, Tom Wishon has LOTS of golf club patents in his name. I will say thisoften times the quality of things like welds, finishes and materials are not as good as the name brand model. Cool. ! Used Golf Clubs | 2nd Swing Golf Factory heads seldom are more than 1-2 grams off specification. 3w: Cobra King LTD, RIP Beta 90, 42" -or- Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X, 42.5" Enjoyed playing with them. They design their clubs but they look amazingly like many other top brands. In fact, I cracked the club face on one of them within 6 outings. For those who want to play Knock-Offs, yes it is your right. I have tried and love my Maltby gear. Four years later, in March 2001, the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles ruled that R.J. Liou, Kent Graphtec and Trophy Sports, a separate company started by Jethro and his mother, Yeh-Chyn, in late 2000, had breached the settlement by continuing to sell Big Bursars. Thanks guys, have fun. Test Taylormade drivers against a couple of the top tier non-OEM companies like Bang and Ill be interested in the results. One of the quotes from your comment is absolutely wrong. Take a look back at some of the old clubs and you will see theres nothing new. Roger Hatcher, PGA Lead Fitter, InstructorTitleist Master FitterRogers passion and knowledge of proper fitting are legendary in the DC Metro area. One doesnt have to be an Attorney to read or be educated on the law. They specialize. ive built mell clubs for 12 yrs.i made a mellow yellow driver,9.5 degrees, with a proforce stiff shaft.took it to course and was smashing it.a scratch golfer ask to hit it.he drove on an average,15 yards pass his ping driver.but would he let me make him one or buy mine?no way.ive made lots of clone clubs,but never made another like the bang mellow yellow.aas amatter of fact,i just received a new 10.5 degree mellow yellow head. 2nd Swing offers the largest selection of used golf clubs both online and in our stores, including every brand and model imaginable. Thanks for the help. Oh , incidently, this thing about the heights of people I feel is not an important part of the fit. And, as they acquire them they would tweak the designs to what is available today. Golfsmith were, er, well Golfsmith and we'll leave it at that. Or youre the website that would love to write an article like this, but worry about the repercussions you might feel from an OEM advertiser. But with confusingly or substantially similar knockoffs, the line between legality and patent or trademark infringement is often fuzzy and is subject to legal challenge and interpretation. It is just that simple! A different animal than what the test was. Just ask yourself, have you ever had someone take credit for your hard work? Note I'm 68 and using A flex but with the right shaft for your game they will play to any flex. I can only hit a drive about 180 anymore and the Thriver gets me there. Up closeummmnot so much. He also took the shine off them, and even worked the leading edge a bit. Do a couple of irons too, test a 9, 7 and 5 iron from 4 or 5 different popular clones and their OEM twin. Not so many Hireko/Acer/Pinhawk. Used to play tourney plus perimeter weight forged irons with stiff gold dynamic shafts those days are gone. Ninety percent of amateur golfers play with the wrong equipment. Anyway shot an 83 at a course I never played on with clubs I never swung before. What is legal is the generic look-alike that does not infringe on a companys trademarks or patents. In 1992 he designed the first interchangeable shaft driver head as well. $229.99. I currently have both Pinemeadows and Giga Golf irons and couldnt be more happy with them. They perform just as well as my old Pings for a fraction of the cost. GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S The adjusted average numbers look even better for the clone as, with the 2 best and 2 worst shots removed from each tester, the clone is 3.5 yards closer to the center line on average. Featured Categories. By the way, I played with an 86 yr old man and he had all mismatched clubs. The assertion made that many Clones are made in the same factories as OEM clubs is unsubstantiated and simply incorrect.. One of the two is a multiple major tournament winner. I have also seen some really good clubs, despite being complete knockoffs. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Had to get a hybrid custom built cos the Affinity hybrids swing weight was indifferent to the irons. Hes a Cinderella story. I did not hear of Pinhawk until the single length club movement gain in popularity (last ~10 years or so). Head is just going along for the ride. But even this line is blurring with some of the reputable clone and component companies out there in recent years. I started playing golf 4 years ago, immediately began keeping.g an hcap and I was around a 20. On the Heated its more noticeable, and perhaps even distracting. Can clone golf clubs perform as well as the higher priced name brand golf clubs?. All you did was test one club head pretty worthless really. Might as well play with a half set. In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game. It does however cost money to get started in golf. Women's MyGolfSpy (WMGS) General Discussion Forum, Lessons, Drills, Fitness and Training Aids, Suggestion Box - Reach out to the Forum Staff (Open for All Member Responses). Maybe the new Golfworks KE4 can play like the originals but for cost these keep me in the 80 range on the scorecard. Its not. Since early 2000, that practice has become more and more limited as the most contracts between OEMs and Foundries, prevent the foundry from producing Clones. Regarding Acer, most likely but don't know for sure. On 5/20/2020 at 10:38 PM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 9:08 AM, aerospace_ray said: On 5/24/2020 at 10:48 AM, Guest Delete said: ltby?" The only problems with clones is that there arent clone golf bags! As for the rest of the components that go into the club, some of the companies give you a choice of components. Please read closer. Some of you that shout the accolades of name brand clubs and tell everyone else the pitfalls of playing clones you probably never hit a quality clone before. He was trained by Ralph Malby who started Golfworks. 2nd Swing offers the largest selection of Swing Speed Perhaps one of the more interesting discoveries to come out of our testing was that club head design appears to play a legitimate role in producing, or perhaps limiting club head speed. So, they go in that direction. I have found lots of Maltby lovers on here. Because MyGolfSpy Labs doesnt put a score on things, rather than have our testers fill out our surveys, we simply had a discussion about the subjective aspects of our two drivers. I have contacted Hireko customer service in the past and they were very nice/knowledgeable. Secondly, please read Roy Nixs article from the AGCP Whos cloning who. When it comes to sidespin, the Clone generated an average of 81 RPMs less. It just isnt very admirable. Learn how your comment data is processed. . I like both Hireko and GolfWorks but for different reasons. All Levels of Golfers Beginners to Advanced. It also amazes me that anyone can play summer league baseball with a beat up mitt and an older bat, or a game of school yard basketball with an old ball and still have a lot of fun, but with golf people are made to feel they have to keep up with not just technology, but the Joness as well. Are Acer and Pinhawk owned by Hireko? Cant help but weigh in here. The topic were covering in Edition #2 of the MyGolfSpy Labs is one of the most debated topics the golf equipment industry has had for the past 30 years! The truth is..most component companies just follow the lead of the Majors and put their spin on the productnow that is a FACT! Giga provides a great club for the average golfer at an affordable price. I had them custom fitted senior flex shafts. Im a 73 year old guy with a bag full of unmatched clubs (some clones, some brand names, all with the same grip) that worked his handicap down to 6 at the age of 72. I think the clones would hold up very well but yeah Id love to see the hard numbers and see the results from various spots on the irons for consistency. Today is the ultimate test: Clone Golf Clubs (vs) Name Brand Golf Clubs. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Just discovered Golf works and like their components as well. There are many reasons besides marketing costs why they are cheaper. Powered by Invision Community. According to Jeff Sheets (used to work for Golfsmith, wrote a couple of books) theres really no discernable difference between a .335 and .350 tip. Dave Tutelman preferred pinhawk heads over other single lengths due to their matching of his "progressive gapping" preference. They are extremely popular for a reason. Shop products from small business brands sold in Amazons store. Championship). I recently purchased, and have been hitting a fitted set of Ping G30 irons. Learn more about Roger. What I will say is that I glued together a few of their sets for buddies and lofts, lies and head weights are not spot on. I bought it and it was perfect. I like both Hireko and GolfWorks but for different reasons. First I will answer the bottom line question "Do the clubs from Hireko stand up to Malt SWIFT) Determination of trademark infringement is tough to prove and costly. I cant say Ive chased the next new thing, only last year did I move the a 460 driver, of course I had to build three. Web$189.80 (6 used & new offers) MAZEL Single Length Golf Club Irons Set for Men & Women (4,5,6,7,8,9,P,A,S) or Individual Iron 7,Left/Right Handed,37.5 Inch 489 $29900 FREE Iron 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,Pitching Wedge,Approach Wedge,Sand Wedge or, Set with Graphite/Steel Shafts for Right Handed Golfers, Iron 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,PW for Men & Women,Right Handed, Set for Men & Women (4,5,6,7,8,9,P,A,S) or Individual Iron 7,Left/Right Handed,37.5 Inch, 7 for Golfer Slower Swing Speeds, Reduced Strain on The Old Elbows and Wrists, Help Shots Go Farther, Men & Women Right Handed, Iron Set, Mens Right Hand 5-6-7-8-9-PW-GW, (2&3) Right or Left Hand Steel Shaft Regular Flex. Nearly all heads are made in China, but that isnt the point. Love them. In my experience, an average length hitter who hits very accurately will beat a long hitter with low accuracy, almost every time out. Sorry the average golfer is not able to drop $3-400 for a driver or fairway wood.
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