I have the Scorpion model, and it shoots to point of aim. The 938 is very close in size and does have a more punch. The trigger pull is long but it's not a gun for more than 25 feet anyway. Hey, I understand! First time I shot it the slide cut my thumb. The BB ammo gives you specs that are very close to a 9mm round in such a small package. Please also note that not all ammo is made the same, and some expand better than others. I have tried the pocket holster that came with it. For it's 2.5 inch barrel, I can easily hit center mass at 25 yards or less and with rapid fire shots. Mine is the Tribal edition. Also a quick not for those that carry a .380 I would look at the new XP Extreme Penetrator and XD Extreme Defender ammo by Lehigh Defense. In order for you to effectively stop a threat, you need decent hollow point ammunition (if your area allows you to use it). That said, I will continue to practice my tap-rack-bang exerciseseven with a Glock. The range officer called for a cold range and inspected her Glock in disbelief. LCP2 was pretty nice, especially with an LGS price of $280. Erraicates unwanted subjects from your residence without using a 45, I can say that they are similar, and this is the only gun on this list that is of all-metal construction. Cons mucho $'s, and it's next to impossible to rack the slide without cocking the hammer first. Seems like The Duke is forgetting that old and factual adage- when seconds count, LE is minutes away. I just recently purchased the SW M&P .380 EZ which is also sweet. The lcp 2 resolved the trigger issue of the lcp 1. We have a few of the guns in this article, and I have shot them all quite a bit. The weapon I carry must be conceable, in an ankle holster. There are no ".380 ACP +P" loadings for that reason. - The CPX-3 can be had on-line for about $200 so it's just about the cheapest .380 out there And that is why you need a gun that can handle a lot of ammo down range. The Remora works great! Alejandro Pera. I carry an 9mm HK P30SK and my backup gun is a hand-me-down Walther PPK/S (.380). Concealable Semi-Automatic Handguns: The Top 15 - The Shooter's Log Have shoot over 1500 rd of all types of ammo. It takes a lot more than just having a gun in order to survive an armed surprise ambush. I get that it's so expensive, but I tell you, it WILL the best investment you'll will ever make!!! I agree. These discussions are frequently exchanged between strictly internet gun forum aficionados (armchair commandos at best); so, perhaps, a little background information is in order: I once became very suddenly and very unexpectedly involved in a cleverly set up, triangulated, 3 shooter ambush; and there I was, right, at the center of the deadly triangle!. Let's make a fairer comparison. For the last 15 years as a plain clothes Detective, I chose to carry the nickel finish Beretta 84FS Cheetah. While there are other, more powerful rounds out there, this is likely the smallest one youd ever want to trust your life to. As I carry 9x19, I was trying to find out, what round has the smallest chance of overpen. The .45ACP pushes harder, the .380ACP is a bit sharper, but with one in a heavy gun (31oz empty) and the other in a light gun (16oz loaded) they handle very similarly. I recently bought my wife a 380 Thunder and its the only gun Ive found the equals my 383DA. I re-size my 380 ACP rounds so there fit more into the chamber. I just purchased a S&W Bodyguard ($50 manufacturer's rebate through June). The double strike feature is great too, particularly when using cheap reloads. I've had one for 6 years; love it. A recent shooting in my county was a one shot stop with a .380 to the chest at close range. The biggest improvement, by far, is the trigger pull. It may be slightly larger than the pocket models, but I prefer my 7+1 Bersa Thunder 380 for concealment, great hand fit, trigger, & DA/SA with decocker. Sports 12, it comes with two 6-round mags and one 7-round mag with extension so you can get all your fingers on the grip (I can, anyway). Don't need that. Pocket carry cocked and locked. .380 guns tend to conceal better than many others out there on the market. Simply put, the best .380 ACP gun/ammunition combination cannot begin to match a plain S&W M10 with a 4" barrel and high-performance +P ammunition. Looking to replace it with something more reliable. Well over a thousand rounds through it without a hitch. IMHO the TCP 738 is much better than the Spectrum. The LCP ll has a new improved trigger and is similar to a striker fired pistol. But it did jam on the cheap stuff as well as Critical Defense .380 which I thought should have worked better. You do get spoiled with the Seecamp and everything else looks like a brick in your pocket once you carry it. It is well thought out, and was crafted, not just cranked out. Beretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! just kidding - YouTube So for folks just getting into the 380s. There is nothing magical about the the .410 slug, either. Lol, the Glock 25 was made for countries with strict gun control. Pass on the II and get the original. Talk about a pistol that's finicky with ammo! Increiblemente yo cazo con pistolas .380, desde liebres, grandes tats, lagartos extremadamente resistentes, avestruces (algunos de ms de 80 kilos) Uso una walther pp, capaz de poner 5 tiros hornady en 1.5 " pulgadas a 25 mts, apoyado. The Walther PPK and PPK/S may be dated but so is the 1911 but they are still proven designs. This gun has less felt recoil, is about the same size, super easy to conceal, but with 9mm firepower. No problem with the safety or trigger on M&P .380 Bodyguard. Your article stated that the Kahr 380 was the smallest 380. I recently purchased a S&W Bodyguard with the laser. It is also fully automatic and is suprisingly loud. I currently own a S&W Shield, but need something much much smaller to wear on my ankle without moving down to a .22. Bad move! you a link to reset your password. Ive shot 3 on the list. put hyper-velocity rounds through your .22 semi-auto rifle and enjoy 80% .22 mag performance for the first what, 50 yards, mostly in the first 25??? I have lasers on the Kahr and Beretta. The CT380 is 7+1 and still as small as the others & the price is right. I personally don't want to take the chance in case it's a huge guy with several layers of clothing, and hopped up on adrenaline or drugs. Thanks for your comment. The Remington 380 is a really decent gun. I bought a LCP II but the extended clips don't work in it, so I am still carrying my old LCP in my front pocket. Model D, based on a Star design that goes back to the 1920's. Also picked up the larger 938 - and carry either one depending on how I am dressed I wanted to LOVE the LCP because its SO easy to conceal. But if being ultra-concealable is the goalyou cant go wrong with the LCP Max. me. Practice, practice practice. IWB in a Multihoster or a Remora (works for pocket, too), it hides very well. guns & By contrast, the .38 Special, when shot out of a revolver with the standard 4" barrel, easily gives kinetic energy figures of 280 foot-pounds, and with +P loadings from Corbon (and others) can deliver over 300 foot-pounds of energy. I prefer my 357 Mag but I'm seriously considering a 380 due to their size and less recoil. For the short test, out of box function and flexibility of this gun is fine. the 22 LR is routinely maligned. Great review on the 380's. The Lehigh Defense Extreme Penetrator. I have owned an LCP for over 10 years, gave another one to one of my daughters, and both have always worked flawlessly with whatever ammo I fed it. Like the Sig, the 911 is all metal and the fit and finish are excellent. Wow, what a horrible experience. I have had several .380 pistols, and currently have a Sig P238 that I really like. Yeah, yeah they got caught in some controversy, but I'm sure all weapon manufacturers are subject to lobbying BS. These write ups for .380 always list guns like the P238, colt mustang, etc.without explaining the issues with carrying SA only pistol (especially in a pocket). Even if it came out after your article it was available for writers to test well before 2019 and, the M&P EZ shield (which you did include) came out I believe in late 2019 (after you wrote the article) yet you included it here and didn't include the CPX-3. The 380 is essentially equal to the Sigg P238 but I like the Kimber a little better because of the slicker lines. I don't care for the whole 1911 thing, I'd rather have a single or double action striker but this P238 is amazing. There are some things that can help you greatly when it comes time to stop an attacker. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a brand you hear a lot but this is definitely an option you should consider. I own many pocket 380's, Colt Mustang XSP (now called Lite), Glock 42 (two of them), Kahr CW-380, Remington RM-380, Ruger LCP, LCP Custom, LCP II, LC-380, Springfield 911 380, S&W Sigma 380, Taurus Spectrum. Check Price. (As a 31-year Army combat vet I appreciate decent sights; yes, even on a pistol that is generally considered a "short range" solution.) I use Alien Gear IWB, and put the extra mag in my back pocket. I haven't had a chance to get the firestorm yet but am looking forward to getting one soon. I know the California Highway Patrol carried .38 spl. As always, be safe out there and thanks for taking time to read this. I front pocket carry the Glock, stock. It is like the Ruger but fit my hand better. Later issued Glock 19 9mm for duty and carried a Sig P230 .380 as back up. - It's shorter, lighter, cheaper and has much more capacity than the Bersa Thunder Excellent review. Barrel length is 3.675 inches, so you get accuracy and better performance from ammunition. I have no qualms on the 380 as a self defense weapon and am a strong believer in shot placement. To clarify and in all fairness to Kahr many have no problem out of the box and many have experienced what I have (according to the forums). I would like to try the Walther PPK S next. Both run flawlessly. The LCP II is bigger than the original LCP and is a blocky and unattractive turd. The only aspect that has been overcome, is in the weight, and this is a debatable aspect, as you very well point out, as commented on the benefits of the Sig Sauer 238, for being all metal. For example the Sig is not accurate for me. you can see it on Ammoquest .380 youtube if you want to see how it performs..awesome round for the 380. These handguns are reliable and easy to manipulate. Just wanted to say, I own 4 different caliber Taurus pistols and I am very satisfied with my 357 mag, 1911 Commander 45 acp, and 38 special. Ruger LCP Max 380 ACP Pistol 4. Get some Leihgh Xtreme Defense ammo if you can legally do so (65gr wrecking ball without H.P.) Others find this to be true as well. I practice with the .380, but my sweet shooting Shield is still my favorite range gun. The accuracy is very nice (I am going to paint my sights). I carry it in a de Santis pocket holster, condition one, so I have 8 plus a spare 7 round mag. 2) .410 for defensive, I strongly disagree with the assumptions made. Never felt undergunned and to this day it remains the most accurate gun on my modest collection (<1" groups at 25'). Easily the best .380 weapon out there in terms of cost, reliability, features & looks. Don't make me reach for what you might think is my wallet. and let me say Where the hell do you expect to conceal your .40 S&W on a 96 degree August day in Florida.! Can't go wrong with this one. So that is her EDC . The original is one of the biggest selling personal carry pistols of all time. I like the feel and dependability of the Glock 42. I'm a novice and feel quite comfortable with ALL aspects of the LCP 2. It's a good fit for my small hands, target shooting is fun, it conceals beautifully and I have confidence with my ability to hit the target with a tight group of rounds. Ruger did a very nice job here. According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. Our favorite is always that P238 HD. Have you tried magazine extender that permits 3 finger grip, or does that magazine you mentioned offer that? Solid, all metal gun. Ive put probably 3000 rounds thru it of every kind of ammo I could find. I'm sure your testing will help out some of the other readers. I think I've seen it test at 5-5.5 lbs. Box of 1000: 10 Sleeves of 100 You are crazy. You'll be surprised at how thin and lightweight this pistol is making it easy to carry all day long. I do think you missed the boat on adding the Springfield Armory 911 on your list. And Howard H - I couldnt agree more. It recently was retired to my safe in favor of the Glock 42. Just enough meat on it to feel right and give you something to hold on to, but still in a sub-compact footprint for CCW. Happy surprise the G10 grips are awesome secure! Now, have a look at the biggest handguns. I just shot a sig 238 at the range rented man that was a nice shooting gun and right on target every time. I own a Taurus TCP 738 which I upgraded with Galloway trigger and springs and NiteSighter sight dots. Its an updated design of the old Robaugh, I hope I spelled that correctly. I am missing 3 tendons in each shoulder and need a shoulder replacement in my left. A Ruger-oriented forum could help with the holster issue. But I think the problem is not a disingenuous review, but the facts that an 84F is much, much more bulky gripwise, and heavy to lug around and conceal. I also disagree with Danny-I think the II looks much better than the original. Check out our full review of its 9mm brotherthe CW9. To my point, the VERY BEST 380 that we have currently, in terms of dependability and easy for her to rack, is th Bersa Thunder 380. I have owned several in different calibers and have carried them on-duty and have the utmost confidence in them. It does what it's supposed to do, with a really good factory trigger, pretty decent little sights, it's withstood the test of time, and it's a pretty sexy little gun (mine is the matte black with brushed nickel highlights).#1 380, hands down Bersa Thunder 380's, oh ya, and at a very affordable price. Police are NOT everywhere and most times arrive after an incident is already over. I can handle both of these guns, which helps me to be able to keep my family safe. The article is about pocket .380s. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE .380 POCKET PISTOL? My everyday carry is my Sig P238 as I can carry it all day on ankle or IWB without discomfort. You missed It in your review but it is mechanically similar, but smaller than the non CC (conceal carry) model. Ruger sells the LCP II with a neoprene pocket holster (which has the Ruger logo on it), and it actually works quite well. You have to get it from Palmetto State Armory. The S&W gave me an issue with certain brands of hollow point, but, more investigation needs to be done because I think it occurred with one individual magazine. 1. Types Of .380 Pistols Subcompact vs Micro-Compact Single-Stack vs Double-Stack Magazines What Should You Look for in a .380 Pistol? However, I highly recommend that you opt for the extended magazine to get use of your pinky and the extra round. I shoot the 238 better than the 938, but not by much. Another 380 that didn't make this list, but considered top 5 on many others is the Bursa FireStorm. I would recommend it. I have owned many firearms since, but this is my all time favorite little handgun. I have an AMT Backup in .380 (I also have one in .45 acp). With the right holster, it's a safe and comfortable pocket pistol. Thanks very informative article . The .380 ACP is, technically speaking, underpowered when compared with some other mainline self-defense cartridges. I acquired two pinky extended mags, and applied my requisite Talon grips. It is also the best shooter out of the very small .380s. The Kimber, Metro Arms American Classic, CZ-75B, CANIK 55, CANIK TP9v2, --- all of my .380s. It had a single-stack magazine and a large thumb cut-out in the base of the frame, to supposedly make magazine removal easier. My first handgun I ever purchased was a Bersa Thunder 380 standard capacity, 7+1. Not sure if it's litigation prevention or what, but I slapped a Giessele two stage in it and never looked back. Hydroshoks work great in this gun, it's all metal, but still stings a bit when you shoot it. Nowthe LCP Max brings with it 10+1 rounds of .380 ACP. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. My edc is the Kahr. Rock Island Armory Baby Rock 7. Carry sig in ankle holster . Nice gun but Ive had a couple of stoppages with it at the range. The AMT has a small finger hook at the bottom that helps with recoil. Though it is probably one of the most expensive 380's on the market, I don't think that should matter when it comes to defending yourself and loved ones. I prefer the LCP II because it doesn't have the long double-action pull. The only thing is when I got them, every internal edge was as sharp as a razor! Ive heard a lot of storys about failure to fires and light strikes but I have never had one. Many people place a little too much emphasis on caliber and many are not proficient with their "Big Guns". Hi Chuck-I was thinking the exact same thing in regards to the trigger. A good example is this SW22 Victory that fires the tiny .22LR round. We live in a free society and people should have the right to make choices even if you dont agree with them. I have a Beretta 9 mm Storm carbine, and it's quality really impresses me. It eats anything you feed it. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. My two sons, their wives, my wife and I, and my wife's sister all have the P238. If you cannot shoot center mass, you need a different gun/caliber combo or to practice a heck of a lot more. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. I love this gun for my pocket pistol. The Beretta Pico is top dog. Remington 380. I have had almost 20 failure to feed malfunctions with this pistol, 3 different magazines and every brand of 380 that Walmart sells Ive tried. (Except for a 10/22). It speaks to me in a purely utilitarian language, which is fine, it has it's place. When it comes to a 380/9mm Kurtz however, without question, my old Stainless Sig P232 was and remains my favorite. Being S&W & a Ruger fan, I was so disappointed in the Bodygaurd & the LCP. I am a pistol instructor, and I never teach students to rigidly adopt any stance. It's small size is great in my front pocket and performs great with my colleagues pressure drills. I think the Pico would, on the other hand, please me the way my older S&W revolvers do, when I just handle them -they seem to ask for, and certainly get, appreciation as something more than a tool.
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