. These articles generated considerable interest among Guns and Shooting readers, but the cartridge was not picked-up by a major ammo manufacturer, at least in its original form. Marlin makes a 338 Marlin Express. Still, it didn't rattle my teeth, even in prone position with my collarbone hard against the butt. They did not properly fix the issue. The Model 336C (MSRP: $635) in .30-30 or .35 Remington is the most popular in the line. Id prefer that they got back to being a reputable make of some of the best lever rifles ever made. It is mind-boggling to youngsters today, most of whom equate manufacturing and dimensioned products with CAD/CAM systems. Recently, I saw a couple of blogs that Remington might have started manufacturing some I will test fire it at camp. Henry has earned a lifetime costumer and remlin has lost one. September 4, 2015 Ive been hearing and reading some nonsense lately about how Remington has worked the bugs out on the Marlin/Remington lever guns (Remlins). None of the screws are marred and nothing is mis-assembled. I discovered quickly that the longer FTX would require some case trimming in order to prevent the beginning of the bullet ogive being inside the case mouth when seated . Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. This rifle was bought with rough use in mind. The higher ballistic coefficients of the FTX and MonoFlex bullets produce consistently flatter trajectories than conventional bullets and provide overwhelming downrange terminal performance. I purchased a new 336W just prior to the 2018/2019 deer season. They've taken this particular model/caliber out of production and after talking to Customer Service, have not indicated it will ever return??? Even put half down at the LGS. Good job! The reticle in his scope is duplex-style, and when the top of the wide section in the lower quadrant was used for aiming at a 300-yard target, the rifle was dead-on there as well. Henry Repeating Arms is not the same company as the maker of the original Henry 1860. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. Reading this, it appears that the old employees had no dimensional plans as a type of job security. The one made in this century has the hardest action to cycle. The rifling twist for almost all modern .338 cartridges is 1 turn in 10 inches, which should also be suitable for the .338 Marlin, although a 1 in 12 twist would probably also work well. The powder used in the Hornady loading is also not yet commercially available as of Feb '09. Like its sibling, the .308 Marlin Express, the .338 traces a flat trajectory. The curve's shape and height and the area underneath show thrust imparted to the bullet. The New Model 1895 is also back in full production, and quite a few variations are offeredall in .45-70. For 2014, Marlin is reintroducing four suspended offerings, including two .338 Marlin Express rifles, the 1895 Cowboy, and the .444 Marlin. The second one was purchased when Freedom Group/Remington Henrys rifles will not function for SASS style shooting. Who let this clown get away with making this kind of statement?!?! They got even more angry. The rifle looks great no noticeable or obvious problems or defects. The 338MXLR features a side cartridge ejection port, a hammer block safety and stainless steel receiver, barrel, lever, trigger guard plate, magazine tube and loading gate. If it has JM stamped on the barrel then it is a pre-FG Marlin. Ask the customer service rep at Martin if this was a common problem with the rifle, he said no , very rare. YMMV. In some ways, the .338 Marlin Express is a one load gun. When I dont, which happens from time to time, I shut my mouth and listen and learn. The new Sako Finnlight II sports an innovative stock and Cerakote metal paired with the terrific 85 action. It is because I trust a receiver made 50-100 years ago more than I trust recent commercial production. During about four decades of production, the forearms of Marlin rifles had been quite thin and when the Sure-grip forearm, with its fish-belly shape, became standard in 1936, the name was changed to Model 1936. The .338MX fires heavier .338 caliber bullets than the .308 Marlin Express at roughly the same velocity. The rifle is already in the rack a standard Marlin 1895 with two-thirds magazine. Anyway, comparing the older rifle to the newer one further reinforces my belief that Remington really lost their way with the Marlin brand. I should have just bought the Ruger!!! Big difference. Center, between .308 Winchester(left) and .338 Marlin Express(right) Type Rifle Place of origin USA Production history Designer Marlin/ Hornady Manufacturer Hornady Produced 2007 Specifications Parent case .307 Winchester Case type Semi-rimmed, bottleneck Bullet diameter .308 in (7.8 mm) Neck diameter .344 in (8.7 mm) Shoulder diameter Plans call for rifles that were suspended to make their way back into the line as the manufacturing process works outs its kinks. Of henry off his web site the next morning he sent two emails, and had one of his distributor s call my gun guys shop. .338 MARLIN EXPRESS .35 REM .357 MAG . Maybe. This bullet has been discontinued, but I see no reason why it could not be reintroduced (perhaps with a revised jacket profile if required) for the new cartridge. Anyway, I have friends that say you just got lucky but just got lucky on 3 different models..lol Anyway, from what I have seen, maybe the kinks have been worked out for the most part? LMI Firearms - Ammo But ever since 2007, Remington has not only gone downhill on its own brand, but FG has ruined everything else theyve touched. From time to time weve had glimpses of the doofuses (doofi?) I also worked 1 mile from Savage and was 30 minutes from S&W and they are still pumping out good guns but are of course not part of a mismanaged FG. Firing it loosened it up. Its been great on three deer so far. WOW, I went to three different gun stores and handled the model 336. If I find an old Marlin in the meantime, itll go home with me. Plus, I didnt have to take any insulting abuse from one of their CS people. And it may be that I'll get my best opportunity far from the muzzle. It was money well spent. Today I went to the range to tune in a new Skinnner peep sight on my Real actual Marlin 30-30. I have heard good things though about marlins new heavy barreled vvarmint bolt guns, and strangely marlins rim fire guns have stayed on the good side. I wanted to send the out-of-spec unit to them for an exchange, and he gave me some song and dance about how it was just going to sit on his desk for a week or two, until he had time to go down the street to the machinist they use to fabricate these things, and have him check it. Also saw several new Marlins including the factory scoped model. When I wasnt looking someone stoled. Marlins USED to be like that. Additionally (concerning something arises), although it is a myth that the .30-30 design started life as a black powder cartridge, it can be used with black powder if necessary, unlike most more modern bottleneck cased cartridges, while still retaining sufficient lethality. At the range it jammed on my first cartridge, so hard you could not move the lever. The fit of the wood to the receiver is flawless. Went to three gun stores today looking for a used Marlin 30-30. But the BLR, like Winchester's Model 88 and the forgotten Sako Finnwolf, are not traditional lever actions. The stock was also set higher than the receiver by about 1/8th in. CALIBER: 338 Cal. They are all great rifles and the tubular magazine issue is only as big as one chooses to make it. the Remlins are NOT test fired. Getting the drawings and IP is a standard part of any business negotiation. 11 Image (s) 7619 Winchester 1890 22 short octagon barrel, refurbished. I documented the entire exchange, and sent it with a letter to the president of FG, notifying him in courteously neutral language that his company had serious CS problems, and it was hurting their reputation. This would give lever-action hunters improved performance over their .30-30 Winchester rounds. Furniture is walnut, nice but not fancy. You tell me who was right. Hold it in your hands if you are worried. I would personally not buy anything that hasnt already undergone many manufacturing learning cycles. Looking back at it, Im probably better off that they couldnt even ship one damn lever rifle in 6 months. We were training a new workforce to build these rifles, says Fink. The key to its innovation and performance is the patented elastomer Flex Tip technology of the FTX and MonoFlex bullets. In 2005, the Model 336 hit a milestone. Duh. This was a brand new fire arm out of the box, I refused delivery and sent it back, no more Marlins, or Remingtons for me, I bought a new Henry and it is a very nice rifle. I have the limited run of a 2007 Marlin 308 Marlin Express look over and shooting on my range. It doesn't shoot as flat as a .30-06. First of all, 3D scanners have some (0.002 or thereabouts) fuzz around most dimensions. Didnt the Remington R51 have (has) a few quality problems also? The .25-35 and .30-30 chamberings were added in 1895, and the .32 Winchester Special chambering followed in 1902. An 1894S in 44 Mag and a 444S in 444 Marlin. You would have to make an ejector and all but I dont see how you are going to revive the caseless cartridge concept. Their Henry original is the rifle they should have designed in the first place, and Id buy one, but not at $2300. You get tolerance stack up on the multiple parts and the gun jams. Had to put a scope on it or it would shoot 8-10 Same goes for Remington. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. The barrel has some Marlin markings on it and the MarlinNorth Haven CT. stamp on the left side of the barrel just below the rear sight. Now, thanks to an article entitled Marlin Makes a Comeback in theNational Shooting Sports Foundations publication shotbusiness.org, weve got an inside, intimate look at Marlins cataclysmic decline. . Recoil was stiffer than that of my .308 ME. Winchester Model 94 .22 WMR: Famous Silhouette Rifle. The case of the .376 Steyr was given a thicker web for added strength, then necked down to .338. View Data View Sold Marlin 70PSS - For Sale :: Shop Online :: Guns.com . And I will wait another few weeks on another luck of the draw. I have owned two prior Marlins, one of them JL stamped, that were really not all that great. Hopefully, similar powder technology can be applied to the development of the .338 Marlin Express. The 450 was ok. Just went in last week to get one, wow what a pile of junk!!!! We have seen great improvement over the year, and we continue to focus on further improvements.. At 400 they're down 23 1/2 and 25 1/2 inches, respectively. It is a very well made rifle. Gain a deep knowledge of ballistic science and access our improved ballistic calculator. Plus, Henry service is friendly, fast and free for a lifetime. So finally I ended up putting the money towards something else in the store . I had and still want one. Their fore-runners were made by Jennings, and lever-action guns of very similar design were made by Smith & Wesson. The deluxe version of the Texan has a fancy walnut stock, machine-cut engraving, and a gold-colored trigger. There are other fish in the sea, making products just as good or better, who at least dont treat their customer base like they dont know what theyre doing. Says JM on the barrel. Not so. For more than a century, bullets for straight-tube magazines were stuck with blunt, ballistically inefficient noses. Weight: about 61/2 pounds. I wouldnt mess with the other stuff. Used to be a dozen would be in any gun store for right around $300. Even though Im an engineer and not an MBA, even I know that. Marlin tried again in the early 2000s with the .308 and .338 Marlin Express. Many will call a certain gun a POS even if theyve never owned or shot one. The trigger is a bit heavy, but has a clean break. Very Good . Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. Question of the Day: Are You Tired of Being Vilified? $2,300 is a bit much for any rifle in that class, truthfully. ], and yet improve efficiency. Just four hours away, in Ilion, Remingtons factory had some open floor space where it could move Marlin, keep it autonomous fromRemington [! Used Marlins arent as common anymore. Maybe. You can see from that picture that the magazine tube stud was severely misaligned with the barrel, sticking way out on one side. I returned the rifle to marlin again requesting they fix it. I cant get used to a crappy rifle. The 2007 introduction of the .308 Marlin Express, the result of a joint effort by Hornady and Marlin, brought forth a new case that could be adapted to a .338 O'Connor type cartridge. a joint venture between hornady and marlin produced some of the fastest, most powerful, and accurate traditional lever rifles extent. All of Marlins models should have been put in CAD in under a year, easily. Well contact the company for a T&E gun, or buy one on your behalf, and report back. You can also check the serial number, if it has an RM prefix then it it a Remlin. At this point I can fast fire 38 specials on target very easily. Looks like Marlin is cutting loose slow sellers There is a remedy for this, but it involves taking a stone to the loading gate spring and removing metal until the tension suits you which of course will void the warranty and make the part more likely to break. All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. All of Hornady's new for 2009 products are covered in this year's. Youre EXPECTED to wear your tighty-whities under your jeans instead of on your head. We (my gunsmith son and I) removed the fore-end wood, loosened the screw at the stud, aligned the tube with the barrel, and then retightened the screw to put proper tension on the stud, to keep the tube properly aligned. The quality control problems at Marlin went from bad to worse to completely unacceptable to the point where Marlin modifierslike Grizzly Custom Guns now charge customers a premium to breatheon post-Freedom Group rifles(to pay for rectifying factory errors). The action was quite smooth, and the guns accuracy was very good. Personally, Id LOVE a SS .41mag levergun, perhaps to compliment a .41 4 5/8 SS Blackhawk, or even a Vaquero. That is one sorry tale of corporate mismanagement. The mechanism worked smoothly, cartridges feeding as if they were designed for the magazine and carrier. While Marlin has made much of the solid-top receiver that, unlike Winchester's '94, readily accepts scopes, the 336 and 1895 both respond quicker with iron sights and seem more at ease. But just making excuses for one manufacturers crappy work isnt going to get them to fix it. One rifle I racked the lever and it locked up, could not close the lever. Very disappointing for a $700 30-30. Its been that way since World War II, when draftsmen did the work on vellum (how I learned). The biggest mistake was continuing to sell guns that they knew were bad. Beginning life as the Model 1893then transitioning through the Model 93, the Model 1936, the Model 36, and eventually settling on the Model 336, Marlins enduring lever action is now 125 years strong. I heard on the radio the other day that cerbus was going to sell freedom group because of the sandy hook murders. There is also lots of information on-line on how to replace/repair this wear part, and of course gunsmiths all know how to replace the worn part. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Bought it mostly for my kids, but its mine now. This action froze open when worked and the hammer had to be manually depressed to un-jamn the bolt every single time. I'm glad all my Marlin levers are older models. The last two times were with AAC products. So, in terms of killing power, the .338 Marlin Express is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard deer cartridge with the Hornady 200 grain flat point bullet at a MV of 2400 fps. 338 Marlin Express Hornady Brass Cases Box of 50***Discontinued by Mfg. Actually, that was Volcanic, a company founded by Messrs. Smith and Wesson along with a stockholder named Winchester, and the guns were an abject failure as they fired a rocket ball, an elongated bullet with a hollow space in the rear for a small powder charge and a pellet of mercury fulminate to set it off when the striker hit itno cartridge case. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Seven shots in caliber .30-30 or .32 Special.". Traditional spitzer bullets are not compatible with the tubular magazines. The existing bullet was remade with a thinner jacket in order to promote expansion and upset at longer ranges. Bought xt22. For 2014, Marlin is reintroducing four suspended offerings, including two .338 Marlin Express rifles, the 1895 Cowboy, and the .444 Marlin. It was a huge mistake to move the Marlin manufacturing to NY. The guns were fragile and the cartridge VERY weak, and they didnt sell. I look through two or three new ones at the gun counter and choose the best specimen I can find. You dont assume anything. You cant beat a 94 Marlin when compared stock to stock. several small nicks and scratches other areas of the gun. Gun #: 926415864. Well until recently that is. Marlin isn't owned by Remington Arms. I had a marlin in .22lr a few years ago, but it didnt function at all, i thought it was just a bad gun, i didnt realize the company had undergone such a drastic reformation. Personally, I would only buy an older used Marlin gun that can be checked out in person, at least until there are reports of significant changes at Freedom Group. My next lever action will be in .45-70, and it will be a Henry. In the early 1970s, the .250 Savage was announced, and though several Model 336s were chambered for it, I am aware of only one that managed to escape the factory. I Mean Good. Sounds like you guys saved me a great deal of time. Yes. I will support the product until it disappoints! Their lockup is as strong as that of most bolt rifles. freedom group is too big, they have avialibility to shut down most gun makers as we know if they decided tootoo scary. This rifle has a laminate stock, an 18.5 barrel with a 6 round magazine tube, and a big loop lever. Bolt-rifle rounds that don't need flex-tip bullets, they were engineered to match the velocities of .300 and .338 Winchester Magnum bullets. In short order, he located a case with promise: the .376 Steyr. Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. But the .348's tube magazine shackled it to blunt bullets that quickly fell behind .30-06 spitzers. Im the proud owner of a Henry 45-70, and the rifle is a gorgeous tack driver at 150yds with 325gr. I mean, at first I was worried about the value of my Marlin levers since they would be picking production back up But then i realized their dimentional drawings will never be the same as that which was handed down from generation to generation. Its clear that the 39A is the better quality rifle, but not so much so that Ill ever sell the 1894, even though Ill be using (Indiana, my home state, legalized some conventional high powered rifles for the very first time for deer!) How many parts does an 1894 have? They were neat tech up until semi-auto carbines became available, but now given the price I would rather have a semi-auto in .45acp or 9mil. My Marlin 1895 XLR in .45-70 can put 5 rounds through a single jagged hole at 50 yards with a 2-7 power Leupold scope using the 325 grain LeverEvolution ammo. Its generally a 3-4 MOA rifle. Only found one used one and it had a big dent and chunk taken out of the feed tube so I passed. Then they returned it to him. And not happily, as I recall. The Return of Lever-Action Rifles - Petersen's Hunting 1 Single-Shot Rifle: Tips to Improve Its Accuracy, 7 Top .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) Rifles, 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 RPM What You Need to Know, 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles. "The .35 is just not a popular size," he told me after I suggested a super .358. The new Freedom Group Marlin managers are not only goofballs but liars, who are disparaging the old Marlin employees and the old factory to cover up their incompetence at the new plant, and in ruining the name of a good brand. I wanted the 18 barrel because I wanted to keep the rifle handy, without too much loss of muzzle velocity and a consequent losss of terminal ballistics. Please refer to the photos as there is minor . I purchased a used Winchester 94, it just works. Here's a video review from a guy that says it all. Hell, run them through a 3D scanner. The gun would appear to be on safety but would fire. And smoothed out after a couple of hundred rounds. The Marlin Model 338 Marlin Express Long Rifle is a lever-action hunting rifle chambered in .338 Marlin Express. Long story short, emailed Remington, waited a day, then shipped it to North Carolina. The right stock has a tiny gap where it butts up. Never one to sit still, Dave told me even before the RCMs appeared that he planned to fashion a lever-action round to trump all others. He sent it back and they worked on it. Voila! Im not an idiot. *** Be the first to review this product . Example: I also own an AAC suppressor. I took it apart to clean it before first use expecting Certainly a .338 wildcat based on the .308 Marlin case is likely, almost inevitable, when .308 Marlin brass becomes available. Ive been wanting a stainless 336 for years, but couldnt because of precisely the damage we all know Remington has done. The latter could be loaded with a 200 grain flex-tip spitzer bullet at maximum pressure to achieve the highest possible velocity. That far off, a 180-grain .30-06 bullet started at 2,700 fps strikes 21 1/2 inches low. They beat Rossi, Henry, and Winchester lever guns hands down. In addition, the fore and butt stocks are at least two tones different in color and light to dark! All rights reserved. Im not buying the nonsense that Marlin didnt have any drawings. I guess they didnt have any calipers or micrometers either. Ergonomics and fit and finish are just about perfect. Imagine if you will the nature of the steel employed by Remington and how long its likely to last. the average deer hunter could take advantage of its benefits. I have a 338 Marlin with the well known barrel droop. The wood is crap. It is one of the all-time great deer rifles, and anyone should be proud to own one. . Your statement dismisses them as if their getting shafted by Remlin is of no concern. Although the thicker case webbing reduced capacity, new powders allow the .338 Marlin Express to achieve velocities similar to the .338 Federal with significantly lower pressures. I paid something over $600 for a substandard rifle whose problems were not apparent until I got it home. Initially offered in .30-30, .35 Remington, .444 Marlin, .450 Marlin and .45-70 ammunition, the bullets are now available in several other Hornady LEVERevolution loads. You can always find one in a gun store. .338 Marlin Express - Wikipedia It would be the best lever gun out there. The Marlin Model 1893, which was introduced in 1893, was essentially the companys previous side-ejecting Model 1889 with improvements and a longer action. Like I said, its a tack driver, and a very well-made rifle. We show you how. Marlin replaced my 336SS. This was before the advent of the .308 Winchester case, so O'Connor suggested that the new cartridge could use a necked-up 7x57 case. gun-tests.com you gotta pay to see what it says Isnt this what Pelosi did with obummercare. How could I possibly rig that? Same with the 39A, which gave me nothing but feeding problems. Sales increased in 1953 with the addition of the .35 Remington. It could probably be rectified with some elbow grease, but then Id have to refinish the stock. They didnt do ANY of that. Gone are all versions of the 450 Marlin. Several loads shot inside 2.0 inches at 100 yards, and Hornadys Full Boar ammo loaded with the 140-grain MonoFlex bullet averaged 1.42 inches at 100 yards at an average velocity of 2,527 fps, which was 61 fps faster than its billing. precisely with no hesitation or run-around. Out of stock. But if they dont get their crap together, theyre going to fade and that would be a shame. 308 Marlin Express 160 gr FTX - Hornady Manufacturing, Inc Made in 1967. . Also have one in 30-30. I knew it in high school after taking a technical drawing unit in Introduction to Machine Shop. My dad, brother, and I all had 336 Marlins 35 cal. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor.
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