1. 4 and her father hears about her vow or pledge but says nothing to her, then all her vows and every pledge by which she obligated herself will stand. It isnt called getting hit. Example please? I cant imagine anyone here wants 100pinkapples to suffer from her trauma forever. Previously I have shown Domestic Discipline to be both a Biblical concept as well as a historical practice amongst husbands for thousands of years on my Instagram page @biblicalsexandiscipline and on my blog Biblicalgenderroles.com as well as podcasts Well, 100pinkapples, lone wolf comes around to accuse you of being in a rage. I never heard or suspected anything growing up. If you are truly interested in learning more about that folly, there are plenty of websites and blogs and practicers on the internet. However, this is nothing more than intolerance even if you think you mean well. Christian Domestic Discipline Spiritual Sounding Board Thats it. Not a single male rose to my defense. So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. Nope, A Lone Voice, Im not going there with you. So, the testimonials in THIS VERY THREAD of wives who were shamed and beaten by their husbands are false simply because you declare them so? Youre filtering Scriptures not only through your experiences, but also a previous assumption that God approves and condones patriarchy, and you read that back into the Bible. If kink is your thing, thats your thing, but dont sit there and try to convince me or anyone else you got kink from the Bible because you sure as heck did not. Sis has been married 3 times already, and bro is still married, but is miserable as his wife treats him the same as mom treats dad. Do you have any children? Wife Spanking, Christian Domestic Discipline, Domestic Violence *** You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered. There is no biblical support for your position repeatedly quoting Eph 5.22 and the like is not proof for your stance, because you interpret such passages incorrectly. Maybe youve experienced a lot, maybe youve seen a lot, and this experience has lead you to be more emotional than rational and to err on the wrong side of history. I get the feeling that LV may be a man trying to pass itself off as a woman. I am pretty sure that we will continue this lifestyle for as long as we live because it has done wonders for our marriage. Its actually ten : )Notice we are not commanded to love our husbands. No this isnt the argument at all. My husband tells me all the time how proud he is of the woman I have become. Take any instructional material on domestic discipline and youll notice two things : knowledge symmetry (the man and the woman must comprehensively discuss and understand every aspect of this lifestyle), and psychological sophistication : the many psychological effects of physical disciplining (which only is one aspect of the lifestyle) are presented at length to both the man and the woman. As far as your point is made. You simply cannot say that as the visitors at my site are widely diverse. When women were welcomed, for the most part, into the workforce and had independent means of support, the divorce rate skyrocketed. _50 SHADES OF GREY AND PATRIARCHY: WHAT EXACTLY DID WE EXPECT?_. When I was growing up, it was not in a household that practiced Christian Domestic Discipline. So when I serve my husband its not out of weakness, but out of strength. I find your style offensive. When we protect and defend abused wives, we are also protecting and defending their children and future generations. Have you read Marys song, known as the Magnificat? Do not expect her to be silent through this experience though. Jennifer, I moved your comment to a new post so more people could see it and respond. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. A lot of people, especially women who have been sexually abused by self professing Christian men or abused by a husband, are rejecting Christianity because of your sexist, un-biblical views. I dont know where I have ever read such a torrent of self-satisfied sanctimony. Pompous nothing, but nothing. I was so embarrassed! What does that actually mean? If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. But over it all was always this sense of control and he was the man. My wedding vows included a vow to obey and he would often remind me that God commanded wives to submit and obey their husbands as they were supposed to do towards Christ. It is interesting to note that a our lone wolf twister of Scripture is not content to merely advocate for and justify the abuse of wives (again, all application of coercive authority is abuse). Thats why Hollywood had/has such a high divorce rate two stars who were independently wealthy married and then when the marriage went south, the wife knew she could divorce without losing her livelihood. In this first article we will demonstrate how the practice of domestic discipline aligns perfectly with Biblical principles and commands regarding marriage. Its only by bringing the two together under complete subjection to Christ by both parties that the marriage will ever be complete. Anonymous, musingsofaministerswife.com, 11. He told me I was never to wear such slutty clothing and made me throw them all away (after beating my bottom). I dont know what to do?!? Lydia00, Eph 5:21 does not contradict what follows., I agree. So things that would injure (whipping, anal sex) or humiliate would be right out. Modern psychology approves a surgeon cutting off a guys penis, surgically creating a fake vagina, and will then prescribe estrogen hormones for the dude to look like a lady. Aspire to knowledge and aspire to love, declare yourself ignorant and humble and you will find justice and wisdom for God does not reveal himself to arrogant people and this is why you are in darkness on this matter. When I see how women have been treated like objects by people who demand to have an authority position over their wives, demand obedience, demand submission, presume to be an intermediary to God. As someone that has been burned and sexually abused I can say there is nothing worse then intercourse with a misogynist, men that go on about male headship, female submission to men. WebBDSM provides a helpful framework for communication and safe, consensual exploration. Bike Bubba, when your wife dresses as a french maid, you still see her, albeit as a french maid, and not Kim Kardashian or some other woman (and I really fear for your taste as well Kim Kardashian of all people). Resistance During a Spanking In the case you need to discipline your wife while on a voyage, you know you can do so without attracting attention. Been hearing about abuses for OVER 50 years. Yet you call yourself a child. I grew up in a very conservative, Southern household and was spanked at home until I left. Lets discusshymens. I dont know how wide-spread the practice was, but I remember my parents had no problem threatening me with discipline where other people from our church were within earshot and dont remember ever hearing any kind of shock or outrage from anyone else. His wife is swatting him with a riding crop because he failed to be a good pony and iron her clothes. He waits not for the tears to start, but for a repenting, submissive cry, and spanks me even after this. Dont just believe what an individual survivor tells you: though survivors have much wisdom based on their own experiences, their own experiences may not be generalisable to others completely, and this applies ESPECIALLY in regards to legal options. This may help you win a popularity contest in this community, but if you really are a spiritual man and aspire to justice, I would quote Proverbs 28:5 : Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. (You cannot find a single Bible verse that says that never married adult women must submit to a man because there is no such concept. Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. I dont expect you to see it. I guess I fail to see how the one couple in the galaxy that can carry this on consensually should override the millions of women that are in domestically violent relationships. And do you realize that labelling people as abusers is a very serious and insulting thing to do ? 1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. And you just assume I am a man because it never enters your intolerant head that a woman could actually want to put herself under her husbands headship. You have also obviously been influenced by kinky secular culture, such as books and films that promote S&M. Other times, I will be simply told that there is a new rule or that I am forbidden to do something. I think there were many times two which I was so disobedient that my parents would have not known what to do unless they had given me a spanking and set me straight. What a heartless bunch. So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. The Bible says I must obey my husband in all things, our minister always repeats this in our bible study. These three core values are essential: Communication, Consent, & Compassion. There you will get a bit more info why I believe this is biblical. WebBDSM provides a helpful framework for communication and safe, consensual exploration. We were not married until I turned 19 though. On the other hand the very fact that you would use these laws as precedents legitimizing the outlawing of something as personal and initimate as domestic discipline proves on its own that these laws are problematic. He is giving me enough leeway so I am not really stressed about it, and since our test spank, I know what Im in for if I fail. Domestic Discipline Male headship is followed all over the world. Our church was non-denominational but was charismatic and evangelical. WebJennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Its quite amazing that she had the strength to leave. Calling it just a spanking in some ways covers up what is going on, I think. She has has been hospitalized many times due to his abuse but somehow he has used his position and influence to escape legal action each time. Jamin wanted me to take a look at his finger nails because he was said his finger nails were too short to leave any marks. Christianity is a great world view for men who know very well they are unwanted by most women. This podcast series is about the practical application of Domestic Discipline. You are a very dogmatic person. I get to hear why some other wives get spanked and all the wives want to tell the pastor why they got spanked. maybe a directory of churches and communities, that still get it, would help . Daisy, I just quoted those verses. This practice is about two consenting adults who are free to leave the relationship at any time, period. Christian Domestic Discipline (Wife Spanking None of us ever dared. Anderson saying, Its not common for someone to hurt themselves because theyre desperate for their husbands attention and their husbands not giving them the love they need and so they wack themselves. _Benevolent sexism: Men who open doors for women can be as sexist as those who are rude to them, study finds_. I shall expect some racist comments. There are many things practiced all over the globe that would not be suitable for Christians. General: Dont like scripture when it disagrees with your prejudices, you guys, do you? Your views are not applicable and do not work for women who are in poverty, who live in other nations, and who are never-married, widowed, infertile, divorced. Testimonials of Loving Domestic Discipline . James truly believed in When the policeman is at the door because the neighbors heard the wife screaming in pain, does she say all is well because it is truly an egalitarian, consensual relation, or does she say all is well because she knows that he is going to physically hurt her, or her kids or her family or whatever. It is very disturbing to read. :^). Continue reading. I found an old post of yours from last year. Nope, cant go there anymore. I read someone say they did have to obey, even in that, because she is to obey in EVERYTHING. Thats their thing. Check, good to go! (Do you know the difference between them?). Do you find that you need it as much or less over the last 30 years? Muslims and Hindus follow male headship. Deborah cursed Barak for not taking his proper male role, and the Apostle Paul, knowing all about Junia, still says a woman may not usurp authority over a man. It mush be nice to be self righteous dont you think. He was so different than the other Christians I had met, many of whom tormented my Jewish best friend and my completely secular family. http://cryingoutforjustice.com/resources/hotlines/. You see women in an inferior place. On the one hand, they are too arbitrary (why should the age of consent be 15 and not 16 or 22, or even 30 especially since you suggest that even adults can be tricked into domestic discipline. It looks sort of like leadership to those who have never seen the real thing. Careful, Julie Anne, true alpha females dont go over the top. I had numerous discussions with people that wanted to begin or improve their Christian Domestic Discipline relationship. I grew up in Europe and the Middle East. Beautiful Surrender: 13 Godly Christian Wives This perception betrays the fact that you are hating what you do not even understand. Some men have apparently abused their authority, therefore any men having authority is bad. It doesnt follow. Im also arguing that you continue to blow bullshit and try to make it sound like wisdom. I dont think a Husband has the right to ask his wife to sin.But we are not given the wisdom God gives our husband they are superior to us, we are inferior my Minister teaches us this in our Wives and young girls Bible class Bible class. Submissive is not a four-letter word. So husbands are not unilaterally to refuse conjugal relations to the wives, nor vice versa. I know some of each do as a weapon. Out of our wounds flow compassion, understanding, & grace. Your brand of Christianity, which insists on male rulership, is just like Islam and Mormonism. My name is Susie and my husband and I thought I should share with you what it is like for us to be involved in a Christian Domestic Discipline relationship. Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Often, my HOH goes with my ideas. This, to me, is a strong leader. The Bible doesnt say that never-married adult women have to submit to a man, or any men, certainly not American women in the year 2015. Founded in 2010, Thought Catalog is owned and operated by The Thought & Expression Company, Inc. For over a decade, we've been at the bleeding edge of media, pioneering an infrastructure for creatives to flourish both artistically and financially. I debated putting this in the Godly ladies' thread but decided that I would risk my reputation to be thought of as forward because this is just too good to keep from men. Ben and I agreed, but I wasnt sure how effective it would be, as Ben wasnt a good spanker. There are millions of non christians practicing domestic discipline, and millions of Christians practicing it too. Im not a Jew living in Israel in 5,000 B.C. Im over 40 years of age and in charge of my own life. You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker. (also known as gender complementarianism, biblical womanhood, patriarchy) Lone Voice said. How do you feel about men that have a fetish to be demeaned and abused in the bedroom by women? Spare the rod, spoil the wife He is refusing to let her seek treatment for her current injuries nor let her use pain relievers, ice-packs etc. Most will realize when they watch Pat Robertsons clip on moving to Saudi Arabia so a husband cant beat his wife, that Pat Robertson was joking not insisting. If you find a bad doctor you dont rubbish the whole of medicine. . Its a logical progression. Women get to be slaves for men, while men lounge about reading their bibles trying to find bible verses that support their new sadistic fetishes to heap on their wives and children. Im a happy happy wife! Anonymous, experience project.com, 12. Such as, not seeing them alone, only meeting in public, and if you need overnight accommodations to see them, NEVER stay at their place or let them stay at yours. When you wrote: You cannot find a single Bible verse that says that never married adult women must submit to a man because there is no such concept you had forgotten Numbers 30:3-5. photo credit: Chiara Cremaschi via photopin cc. But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. Not to mention any basic understanding of Ezer Kenegdo where most of it starts concerning this issue. They threatened to spank me if I didnt back down and I have no doubt it wasnt an idle threat. christian domestic discipline A History of the Corporal Discipline of Women January 11, 2023 In this third and final part of my three-part series on Christian Domestic Discipline, we explore how the practice of domestic discipline continue through the middle-ages and even into America up until the mid-20th century. Spare the rod, spoil the wife From what you describe, it sounds like he had a sense of entitlement over you you were an object to be owned rather than a cherished wife to be treasured and loved. [redacted] has confided in [redacted] and [redacted] about Jamins abusive behavior. I debated putting this in the Godly ladies' thread but decided that I would risk my reputation to be thought of as forward because this is just too good to keep from men. Im about the only one here who actually quotes scripture. And guess what? The best part of domestic discipline is what has happened emotionally between this long-time married couple. Here is my question to you: are you implying that the woman is a victim even if this situation and cannot truly consent? Although it is still a hot topic between parents throughout the web. I have traveled to Africa, Asia, and many parts of the world. You should address your own problems before aspiring to protect people against themselves. And then after that we will spend several articles looking at cultural views of domestic discipline in America before the modern age. Did you know the APA approves gender reassignment surgery as the best way to HELP a male patient who reports his inner self is really female? Did you find someone to share with? :o). I am now 24 years old and my husband is 27. Interestingly, while a lot of men fancy themselves Knights in Shining armor, Ive never experience one defending or protecting me. Rather he actually comes abusing by accusing. I have a lot of respect for your father, and husband. I was terrified! States have laws restricting consent to marry a person who is already married. However, since it would not be good to, myself, come across as as condescending, I will not do that. My brothers were never spanked after the age of 13 but we girls were spanked by dad followed by an hour of corner time bare bottomed in the living room just like Mom until we got married. But often I would struggle or try to escape but he was big and strong enough to hold me in place and then would tell me I was getting more for disobeying and struggling. Now, some Christian ladies are happy to accept the term feminism and apply it to themselves, so long as it is defined as something like the belief that women are equal to men and should be treated with respect by all. Never, dear Julie Anne, not for one second, did I imagine you would have the remotest understanding let alone any empathy for what I was trying to express. Retha I missed Dark Childs comment. I have come to believe that there was a form of CDD/DD in the days of the bible. [redacted] said Jamin has used pornography as a means of punishment towards [redacted]. But unlike the "Cry U.S.E." Christian Domestic Discipline (Wife Spanking We had many problems. I would find that approach must less objectionable. You are even free to self-congratulate and to think that your lifestyle makes you morally superior to others. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. States have laws limiting marriage of close relatives. This 3. After a while I learned that this was really Gods plan for the household and wanted it for myself when I was married. And then to quote half of 1Cor 7:4! You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. Regarding your link, Id actually view the success of 50 shades as a consequence of so many women not having an example of real masculinity in their lifeso they go for the fake, which is Christian Gray or whoever. You are not making any case, you are simply asserting that your personal religious views are better and therefore should be turned into laws. I understand it from a sexual stand point but to say because it gets your husbands frustration put and women need it so they release their emotions, that sounds like straight abuse. James truly believed in You are telling 100pinkapples that she needs to take a Christian response to her abusers and to her own pain, and to see a pastor for counselling. (ShhGod is referred to as an Ezer in the OT), But if one has a spiritual male head then I would have to assume they need the qualifying phallic guidance for such things. It might not be terribly feminist to say so, but other women like feeling powerless during conjugal relations. I dont know where the line is, but looking back now I think I can say that spanking even at 14 or 15 was not right and certainly not up to the age I was. There is plenty of information out there, why dont you do your research instead of spreading intolerance and hatry. When you get to point of saying that none of these can be Christian women and if they are, they jolly well need to repent of their sin, then you are straining at gnats. And they have no right to it. They shift shame, fault and blame to the one who has been wronged. Since that law came out in 2004, I have yet to hear of a spanking incident as such, and I havent even seen anyone spank their child in public. _Deborah and the no available men argument_. Previously I have shown Domestic Discipline to be both a Biblical concept as well as a historical practice amongst husbands for thousands of years on my Instagram page @biblicalsexandiscipline and on my blog Biblicalgenderroles.com as well as podcasts Just like there are many realities behind the word marriage, there are many realities behind the term domestic discipline. Domestic Disciplining is consistent with the natural instincts of men and women which is why it has been practiced for so long, and why it will keep coming back over and over whether you like it or not. If more husbands would do this, we would have LESS divorces and better marriages. Not to mention I find it tremendously sexy and attractive. Professional, licensed counseling is recommended. I remember being mortified our wedding night and wanted to find something sexy that would make me feel good (and I thought he would like, too). Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Julie Anne, your visitors are in the main grindingly politically correct and feminist and you are the chief, so much so that you cannot see that the Junia site, advocating for the inclusion of women in leadership in the Christian church and for mutuality in marriage is not the slightest bit feminist and flying in the face of scripture (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? If he loved his wife he would not want her to have sex against her will, if Christian men loved women they would not want them to have sex against their will. Glad that I could help. Hi, I read some of these odd comments about the bible, written by men in this case perverted old patriarchs. christian domestic discipline You never fail to amuse. God was saying that, in our post-paradisal state, spousal relationships would become much harder, in part because many men would be tempted to become abusive and domineering. of Lone Voice, He had a bad day and I think that made him getting angry easier. I dont think he has stockholm syndrome or any other excuse, he just likes being her highnesss good little stallion. I am doing much better now and am very glad to be removed from all that. We were told that it was biblicalto spank our teenagers, even ones who were overlegal adulthood. For example: Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. Those laws included things that happened in the bedroom between consenting adults. I woke up in a horrible mood and from the beginning I was very disrespectful to my husband. [redacted] never told the investigating deputy the truth about what was going on that night because Jamin told her they would both be arrested, and law enforcement would take their children away. This is not some sort of dark movement where people are held in chains in basements. Youve also been influenced by perverse secular culture. Your position is unbiblical. If men like you were running Christianity its reputation would be much better, and I am sure women and little girls would be suffer and much happier. Dont you think a woman like that has no theology to support her and is outside the will of God? Here spanking children is not illegal per se, but it does have its limits. When I got older and was being bullied or harassed by other men or women, you know who defended me? No this is not like the playground bully. Now ( standard marriage) she refused to wash the until tomorrow as a result of this and her attitude the marriage is over.